Going Too Far: Self-Defense Vs. Excessive Force

- September 20, 2024
0 views 3 min

In-person voting officially began in on Friday, and early reports suggest that MAGA activists are highly organized and enthusiastic in blue-leaning Fairfax County. The latest polling also indicates a tight race between Vice President and former President , with both candidates nearly tied.

A statewide survey from the Center for Leadership and Media Studies at the University of Mary Washington (UMW) shows Harris with 47% of.

By Marty Hayes Gun Digest

A discussion on the extremely fine line between self-defense and excessive force.

As of this writing, 41-year-old Tyrone Frasier of Stockton, California, is facing several criminal charges in connection with entering a Stockton 7-Eleven and attempting to steal a large amount of merchandise. Frasier commandeered a garbage can and was behind the counter, filling the large garbage can with cigarettes, sweeping them off the rack and into the bin. By the time he was stopped, the garbage can was about half full with hundreds of packs of cigarettes (and at the going rate that would be thousands of dollars' worth of merchandise).

While that's not particularly newsworthy, what happened next to Fraiser is.

The incident was caught on cell-phone video, and the video shows two store employees stopping the theft by beating Frasier with a large piece of wood over and over until Fraiser begged for them to stop. (To watch the video, Google 7-Eleven robbery/beating.)

It's clear that a person has a right to stop criminal conduct by using force—but that force must be reasonable. By my count, one of the clerks used this wooden stick to hit Frasier 37 times. It reminded me of watching the Rodney King beating, and, in fact, there was some similarities.

In the King incident, four police officers attempted to apprehend King after a high-speed pursuit. While the officers were first acquitted of any wrongdoing, later they were found guilty of federal charges, and the department lost a large civil lawsuit. This could happen here, too, because the two clerks are not facing any criminal prosecution, at least at this time.

In the 7-Eleven case, I could see that the thief communicated he was giving up after receiving strikes with the stick 10 times. But, instead of stopping the beating, they continued until the guy recording the incident with his phone convinced the clerk that he had given up.

I can understand the frustration the clerks had dealing with runaway theft from their store, and it's my understanding this was not the first time the thief entered the store and blatantly stole items. But, if you are going to use force against someone who is committing a and want to avoid arrest, trial and conviction, then that force must be reasonable.

Defining ‘Reasonable'

What is reasonable force? I can't tell you.

What is reasonable will be determined by the jury, and it will be your responsibility (through your attorney asking you questions at trial) to convince the jury you needed to use the amount you used. Your job will be to convince the jury that the force used was no more than necessary to stop the criminal attack.

I'm reminded of a murder case I worked on as an expert, where my job was to do a shooting incident reconstruction. The incident centered around one individual (defendant) shooting the deceased who the defendant said was attempting to disarm him. They were both inside the cab of a truck, and there was some decent evidence to validate this claim. But the problem is that, after the first shots were fired in response to the attempt to grab the gun, the defendant kept shooting—for a total of 10 times, with the last bullet striking the deceased on the top of the head.

That's not a reasonable amount of force, even if one believed the defense of the initial attack was warranted. I've heard well respected firearms instructors say to “shoot 'em to the ground,” and if they were lawful to shoot him once, they're lawful to shoot him many times.

Maybe, but then again, maybe not. I've worked on several cases where excessive shots meant excessive force, which meant conviction and prison time.

Physical, Non-Deadly Force

Now, let's get back to the use of physical non-deadly force. Black's Law Dictionary states reasonable force is “force that is not excessive and that is appropriate for protecting oneself or one's property.” In this instance, the thief wasn't presenting a deadly threat, although there's some evidence that he had intimated he had a gun. But, as the camera showed, there was clearly no gun.

I have heard the practical working theory is that, when protecting yourself or property, use equal force, then a little more. Continuing to beat someone once they are disabled is excessive force. Most police officers and deadly force trainers recommend not attempting to apprehend someone who is committing a property crime, primarily because you do not typically have the physical means to control the guy after he is stopped. It might be logical to carry a heavy-duty zip tie worked inside the belt, just in case.

As far as self-defense, the force would be just a little more than was being used against you. This is why pepper spray and Kubotans are effective intermediary tools one can easily carry. Training, of course, is necessary, so one can explain how their actions were within guidelines when using that intermediate force. A little self-defense training can go a long way.

Find the original article in its entirety on Gun Digest.

Security

0 views
American Liberty News

Chinese Spies Lurked In American Engineering Firm’s Servers For Months Undetected

Chinese hackers exploited vulnerabilities in an American company's systems stemming from outdated
- September 20, 2024
0 views
American Liberty News

Israel And Hezbollah Exchange Fire Over Lebanese Border Following Deadly Explosions

Tensions are escalating along the Israeli-Lebanese border as Israel and Hezbollah exchanged
- September 19, 2024
0 views
American Liberty News

Exploding Wireless Devices, Prelude To Wider Israel-Hezbollah War?

PAUL’S DAILY BRIEF (PDB) Thursday – Israel’s Hezbollah device attacks: Is this a
- September 19, 2024
0 views
American Liberty News

Risk Of War With China Growing Daily, Say US Defense Leaders

PAUL’S DAILY BRIEF (PDB) Wednesday – Air Force secretary underlines growing Chinese power,
- September 18, 2024

Foreign Affairs

0 views
American Liberty News

Tlaib Condemns Targeted Attacks On Hezbollah, Stays Silent On Israeli Civilian Casualties

Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) has once again drawn attention with her fondness
- September 20, 2024
0 views
American Liberty News

Venezuelan Media Turns To AI To Shield Journalists From Persecution

Following a highly contested and suspicious presidential election, reporters, journalists and newscasters
- September 19, 2024
0 views
American Liberty News

Israel And Hezbollah Exchange Fire Over Lebanese Border Following Deadly Explosions

Tensions are escalating along the Israeli-Lebanese border as Israel and Hezbollah exchanged
- September 19, 2024
0 views
American Liberty News

Hezbollah Walkie-Talkies Exploding In Lebanon, Including At Funeral For Terrorists

In a continuation of yesterday's deadly incident, walkie-talkies used by Hezbollah have
- September 18, 2024

Business & economics

0 views
American Liberty News

Federal Reserve Cuts Interest Rates By 50 Basis Points

For the first time in over four years... The Federal Reserve has cut
- September 18, 2024
0 views
American Liberty News

Trump Pledges To Eliminate Taxes On Overtime Work If Reelected

Donald Trump announced that, if reelected president, he would eliminate taxes on overtime
- September 15, 2024
0 views
American Liberty News

Truth Social Stock Plummets, Then Rebounds After Trump-Kamala Debate

A sudden nosedive followed by... Shares of Trump Media & Technology Group (DJT),
- September 14, 2024
0 views
American Liberty News

Millionaires Expected To Flee Britain In Droves Ahead Of Labour Party Tax Raids

Following the left wing Labour Party's victory in the United Kingdom, experts are
- September 9, 2024

heath & science

0 views
American Liberty News

Trump Rallygoers In Arizona Report Mysterious Eye Injuries After Event

Excruciating pain... Several attendees of former President Donald Trump’s rally in Tucson, Arizona,
- September 19, 2024
0 views
American Liberty News

Why Isn’t The Media Celebrating This Remarkable American Triumph?

The Overlooked Triumphs of SpaceX and Dragon In an age where headlines are
- September 16, 2024
0 views
American Liberty News

New York Governor Reveals Cancer Diagnosis

New York Governor Kathy Hochul (D) revealed she has skin cancer. Gov. Hochul announced
- September 12, 2024
0 views
American Liberty News

Congressman Joe Wilson Hospitalized After Medical Emergency At Washington, DC Event

Republican Congressman Joe Wilson of South Carolina was hospitalized on Tuesday after experiencing
- September 11, 2024

American Liberty Arms

As DA, Kamala Harris Claimed The Right To Enter And Inspect Gun Owners’ Homes

By Cam Edwards Bearing Arms Kamala Harris claims that while her specific policy preferences may have

Jewish Groups Issue Travel Warning About Massachusetts County Where Man Charged In Self-Defense Shooting

By Cam Edwards Bearing Arms Three Jewish organizations have issued a travel warning and are calling

Colorado Democrat Blames Republican Minority For State’s ‘Out-Of-Control Gun Violence’

By Cam Edwards Bearing Arms Democrats have complete control of the state government in Colorado. The

Recent 2024 NRA Board Meeting Leaves The Organization’s Future Uncertain – Video

by Stephen Gutowski AmmoLand The recent 2024 NRA Board meeting held in Texas turned out to

At American Liberty News, we eschew the mainstream media’s tightly controlled narrative to provide our readers with real news, real insights, and the means to take action. We seek out insightful coverage – and partner with knowledgeable and experienced people and organizations to bring you the information and insight our readers demand.

 

We humbly seek to provide the tools and information necessary for our readers to decide for themselves what is true and what is right.

American Liberty News ©2022

Evolution Digital Media  |   1900 Reston Metro Plz  |  Suite 600  |  Reston, VA 20190